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Jamie thought about Havoc’s response again. He had to think a lot more about the answers to serious questions. Stoic people. Jamie knew the word, but he didn’t know why people would actually want to suppress emotions. Emotions were good. Like strawberries, and when he ate them. Or maybe crying wasn’t good? He wouldn’t know. He hadn’t ever cried before.

The military, on the other hand. He definitely knew what that was. Those were the people who were in the facility with him, and did all the surgeries. He had searched that up on the internet as well, but there was nothing, which was strange because it was so big and the people had all said it was so important. So maybe it was secret. But remembering what they sometimes did in the facility made him have an odd feeling in the stomach. It made him want to hide in a small corner and not leave for a while.

“I don’t like the military. But you are nice.” Jamie said. Havoc was not someone at the facility. He remembered that. “They did experiments on me, when I lived in the facility. It’s why I’m like this now. I haven’t told you.”

He pulled up the sleeve of his sweater and pointed at the scars on his arms. They were the newest ones. “See? And there’s more. So I don’t like them.”
 

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Havoc and Jamie had very different opinions on the military, but then they'd also had very different experiences. Havoc had worked with the real military. The one everyone else saw, the one that made up the majority. Sure, there were absolutely shady organizations like Jamie mentioned, but they were only a tiny fraction of the whole. Havoc didn't really consider them the military. Not the way he was.

But how was he going to explain that?

"The military has many branches," Havoc said. "And there are as many militaries as there are governments. What one small group did shouldn't affect your view of the greater whole. A military exists for its own ends, and that kind of shady experiment does a disservice to everyone."

Including Jamie, apparently.
 

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“But the military as a whole still let the smaller branches do these things. I don’t think that’s very good of them.” Jamie said. He had seen pictures of the military on the internet. They wear uniforms. Apparently they protect countries, but Jamie had not seen anyone at the facility protect countries. Maybe the facility was some part of the military that was kept secret. That was better. The nice people couldn’t stop the less nice people, if they didn’t know what was happening

“Or maybe the facility was kept secret. Because they didn’t want the rest of the military to know about what they were doing.” Jamie continued, after a pause. Mr. Havoc seemed to not mind answering a lot of questions today. That was good. “Did you know about the facility?”
 

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Havoc mentally registered the question as silly. No, he didn't know. But there was no reason to drag it out, or say anything other than the simple truth.

"I didn't know. Based on your accent, my best guess is that you were raised in the UK, or at least somewhere in Europe. If the United States had a similar program, they wouldn't tell us to the rank and file. They would keep it to the upper ranks, to people who need to know about it."

Which was very firmly not him.

"The military is like a pyramid. Something like what you're talking about would be only people at the top of the pyramid, or the people involved."
 

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That made sense. Jamie knew about countries. It would make sense that someone in the USA didn’t know what was happening in the UK. The ranking also made sense. The people at the facility had rankings, and some of them were allowed into the rooms while some weren’t, because each room had a keycard. Havoc must’ve been lower ranking, then.

He had learned quite a bit today, not just about feelings, but about the military as well. It was always nice asking questions. He liked to learn about things.

“Do you think it was right for them to experiment on people at the facility?” Jamie asked. He had been taught that it was for good, ever since he was very little. But now he wasn’t so sure.
 

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The truth was that Havoc didn't really care. People often thought of his situation as being particularly stoic, but actually caring deep down, and the fact was that he didn't. He didn't care. Not really. His answer was that, emotionally, he didn't care.

But that wasn't the answer he'd give. He knew that just saying I don't care wasn't the answer people wanted to hear. It upset them. So instead, it was smarter to focus on the pros and cons of a situation.

"Humans have the right to make their own decisions, and have their own freedom. Taking unwilling children to be experimented on is unethical."
 

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“But I’m not human,” Jamie said. They kept telling them that, too. They weren’t human. They were better than humans, they had better memories, and they couldn’t age or die or get sick. But now he wasn’t so sure, humans seemed to be a whole lot better at living than he was.

A part of him was human. At least on the outside he looked human. But he knew that the most of his insides had been replaced with things like metal and plastic. Did that mean he wasn’t human? He didn’t know.

“I’m made of metal, mostly. But people like you aren’t. Am I human?” Jamie asked. “If you don’t want to answer it that’s okay. I know it might be hard to decide.”
 

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"When I say human," Havoc said pointedly, "I mean people. Not specifically humans, but anything sapient and humanoid. A sapient dragon is close enough, and has the same rights. Being an actual homo sapien doesn't matter."

Havoc wasn't entirely clear if he was even human. He was... what, a metahuman? A mutant? Humans couldn't control elements. That wasn't a thing. He was something outside the norm.

"I think the idea of whether or not someone is human is a pointless question. It makes no actual difference."
 

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“I think my purpose is to be used as a machine, though.” Jamie responded, after thinking for another minute. He remembered the people at the facility saying something like that. They said that the children- back when he was still a child, of course- were essentially machines, and not to worry too much about them. “So I was not supposed to be treated as a human. Or to have the same rights as one.”

Does it make any difference? Jamie was not created as a machine, but he isn’t exactly a person either. That is a complicated issue. Possibly for another day.
 

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Havoc actually had to pause and consider that, letting his brain run through the options. It seemed pretty likely that the entire use them as a machine thing was intentionally said to prevent the scientists from creating empathy for the children they were experimenting on. That was always a concern, that people would bond and that morals would get in the way.

"You can safely ignore that," Havoc said. "As far as I am aware, no person has been declared to have no rights, or that they should be treated as machines."

Not officially, anyway.

"Anyone who said that was acting against the best interests of their government."
 
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